Sunday, May 14, 2006

Life is weird

I got a very un-expected call last night from DMA. While he was a bit incoherent, the topic eventually turned towards midsummer.

For the uninitiated, every midsummer for the last couple of years, the gang have set out on a trip to a southern island.

But this year, the old tradition seems set to break. Many in the gang now have girlfriends pinning them down, and as for me, well... I'm sure it would be fun, but with such a heavily decimated group, it feels like going into war with only half an army. (Sort of. Good analogies fail me right now.) Not to mention that I'd rather save the money I'd potentially spend for a future, longer trip.

He also suggested that in order to round up money I would sit in the street with a hat in front of me and speak Japanese, and presumably people would then donate for this noble cause.

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I've been thinking of getting some new pads.While I do have one, I noticed last time I played (which was quite some time ago) that there were some accuracy problems. And hey, new gear is always fun.

The re-ignited interest didn't come by itself this time, but was a direct result of reading the 10K Commotion, a webcomic centered around a DDR-tournament. Highly recommended, even if you're not initiated in the sport. Since webcomics span a lot of different styles, I should specify and say that this is a very manga-influenced comic, and has a lot more substance than the "just-for-laughs" ones, with much focus on the relations developing between various characters.

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It's strange, just when you think you've got life somewhat figured out, something happens that really shakes you up and forces you to re-think your stance on something.

Oh well.

25 comments:

Ainu said...

I've been on that southern island..

It was stressful (because I always freak out on class trips and it was one of those) but, oh boy, it was beautiful there! I had never really seen groves before.

Life is weird.
People aren't..

(I don't want to be that kind of girlfriend who limits the life of her man).

--

What have you discovered recently? ;)

Sho Fukamachi said...

(I don't want to be that kind of girlfriend who limits the life of her man)

Ha! There's no such thing as a girlfriend who doesn't seek to limit, as much as possible, the life of her man.

So what's this other thing that surprised you, Digitalian? You can't just say something and then not explain it!

Jacke said...

The jist of it is that, after starting to suspect a person had some problems, I actually talked with someone about it rather than telling myself that it wasn't any of my business as I probably would've done in the same situation had it been a couple of years ago.

I've always known I've been a bit inconsiderate/uncaring with people I'm not intimately familiar with, so my reaction to it came as a surprise to me.

It was sort of a "maybe I'm human after all"-moment.

Jonas said...

Hey, don’t feel bad about not caring. I don’t give a f**k about people I don’t know either. If I were to worry about everyone who’s having a rough time I’d be a wreck. So I concentrateon those I do know and those who are close to me. Still, I commend you for doing that, it was a cool thing to do.

As for the trip, me and Martin are considering going solo. Sure it wouldn’t be the same thing but rather a new experience. Well, see what we decide upon later I guess.

A longer trip you say? Does that mean you are seriously considering going to Japan?

Ainu said...

Jonas: If he wants to be really good in Japanese he MUST go to Japan.

Sho:
"Ha! There's no such thing as a girlfriend who doesn't seek to limit, as much as possible, the life of her man."

You are mistaken!
Maybe I limit, but I TRY NOT TO. I'm a superwoman ;) I'm so cool. You haven't met me !!!

Jacob:
You surprised me beautifully with that caring attitude.

Jonas said...

"...Jonas: If he wants to be really good in Japanese he MUST go to Japan..."

Why? What makes Japanese so different from other languages?

Ainu said...

If you want to learn any language really well you must go to the place were it is spoken. I didn't mean that Japanese is different from the others.

Jonas said...

I don't really agree with that.
I have on a number of occasions pretended to be from the States and have fooled even Americans that I really am. I can pull off a British accent with ease. I have been to neither of those countries.

Ainu said...

Maybe English is then different from the others?

But to learn a specific English.. like Australian English or Indian English.. Do you think that you could handle that by just watching movies?

Ainu said...

It is not just about accent.. It's the vocabulary that changes!!

Jonas said...

I see no reason why I couldn’t learn to speak with an Australian accent just by watching tv since I have successfully managed to learn other accents. It’s just a question about mimicing the pronounciation.

”...It’s not just about accent... it’s the vocabulary that changes...”
Are you saying is that they deliberately hold out on words and phrases in mass media? Are you actually saying that there are two seperate languages; one for television and another for everyday life? That is quite a claim there. What do you base such a statement on?

I’m not saying that it isn’t easier to learn the language if you hear it and are forced to speak it every day but I disagree that you *must* go to a certain country to learn the language extremely well.

Ainu said...

Well. Why on earth language students are 'encouraged' to spend time in their subject country?

Because, there is things that one cannot learn via mass media. Languge and culture are always connected and some parts of the culture always hide under the surface.

Yes, there is a different language for television and daily life. Thats why they teach media skills in the universities! To the people that who want to do TV.

And I bet that if Jacke-san goes to Japan that helps him to get a job where he can use Japanese. Some other who hadn't been there would have hard time.

Jonas said...

”...Why on earth language students are 'encouraged' to spend time in their subject country?…”
Again, I’m not saying it’s not useful. I disagree that you MUST go in order to know the language well. Sure, it’s very useful but by no means a necessity in my opinion.


“…Languge and culture are always connected and some parts of the culture always hide under the surface…”
Okay, so what you are saying is that in order to know a language well you must learn, and live, their culture as well? By that standard I could argue that a Finnish person will NEVER learn Japanese well because Finnish culture and values have been so ingrained from birth. In addition to that, culture is an ever changing phenomenon, which by default means that NO ONE speaks ANY language well, which proves my original point.

“…Yes, there is a different language for television and daily life. Thats why they teach media skills in the universities! To the people that who want to do TV…”
Then by all means, give an example of a word or phrase that is used in mass media but not in society. Then explain how ordinary people are able to understand said word or phrase since it is not a part of their language.

“…And I bet that if Jacke-san goes to Japan that helps him to get a job where he can use Japanese. Some other who hadn't been there would have hard time…”
I don’t disagree but that has nothing to do with my original statement.

Ainu said...

Jonas has the talent..

Maybe I should have said: If he wants to be really good in Japanese in a relatively small time.. he must go to Japan.

Ainu said...

..short time!!! I can't write English...

You cannot argue against that going there is the fastest way of learning! That was my original point. Thank you for helping me to put it into words.

Ainu said...

"By that standard I could argue that a Finnish person will NEVER learn Japanese well because Finnish culture and values have been so ingrained from birth. In addition to that, culture is an ever changing phenomenon, which by default means that NO ONE speaks ANY language well, which proves my original point."

Well there is the beautiful contradiction! ..That makes studying of language and culture philosophical..
And humane!

Ainu said...

"..explain how ordinary people are able to understand said word or phrase since it is not a part of their language."

From the context, dear. From the context.

I'm just saying that there are subcultures that are hard to reach even through Internet and other mass media.

Jonas said...

"...Maybe I should have said: If he wants to be really good in Japanese in a relatively small time.. he must go to Japan..."

Well, okay, if that was your original point then I must agree with it.

"...From the context, dear. From the context..."

I would still like to hear an example as I am not yet fully convinced that such a "language" exists.

"...I'm just saying that there are subcultures that are hard to reach even through Internet and other mass media. ..."

I don't doubt that. However, I would argue that such subcultures are hard to reach for natives as well. The average native speaker does not understand, nor does he seek to understand, various subcultures.

Still, I may be isinterpreting your statement, in which case an example would clarify.

Ainu said...

Yes!
We never know anything for sure.
But that's fine with me.

I agree:
Even we don't know all about our culture.

But:
Foreign people might see things from a interestingly different perspective and notice something we don't notice.

I just bet that Jacke would like to go to Japan, learn the language as fast as possible and as easily as possible.

I personally love traveling because it raises questions about my background too. I like to experience things directly, compare the places I have been in. It is better to say "I have done it" than "I have seen someone done it."

mizzaaa said...

Wow, what a heated debate! 19 comments! I wouldn´t mind going to Japan myself...

Jacke said...

Jonas said
"A longer trip you say? Does that mean you are seriously considering going to Japan?"

Ahuh.

Don't know when, though. Or for how long.

Jonas said...

“…But:
Foreign people might see things from a interestingly different perspective and notice something we don't notice.I just bet that Jacke would like to go to Japan, learn the language as fast as possible and as easily as possible…”

Can’t say I disagree but the fact remains; that is a far cry from your original statement:
“…If he wants to be really good in Japanese he MUST go to Japan.…”

I said: "..explain how ordinary people are able to understand said word or phrase since it is not a part of their language."

Ainu said: “..From the context, dear. From the context…”

I actually did some research yesterday about University media skills courses and one issue that kept coming up again and again was the importance of getting your point across clearly. Ambiguity is not something worth striving for. So the idea of a “tv-language” and expecting the viewers to understand something based on the context seems all the more unlikely in my opinion.
But I’ll stop beating the dead horse now.

Hey bro, get me something while you’re there will ya’ ?

Jacke said...

Jonas said...
"Hey bro, get me something while you’re there will ya’ ?"

How about a pair of soiled panties?

Jonas said...

Soiled panties?!?
SWEET!

Wait...will you soil them?

Doesn't matter...I'll take 'em anyway.

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